they've convinced the american people that the economy is bad. what they haven't convinced the american people is that the president's policies that have caused the economy. >> bill: do you do that by facts? >> absolutely. >> bill: okay. so you just keep -- >> policy by policy, policy by policy, and say, your stimulus bill created these economic conditions which has hurt unemployment and caused it to be above 8% for 40 months. and go through each of the policies that he's done that have caused the economy to go down. >> bill: final question, does mitt romney have to say, because you know the president is going to come after him -- look, here is what i'm going to phase out. some charitable stuff, some real estate stuff, does he have to do that or can he stay in the general area where he feels more comfortable? >> no. what he has to do is cast a vision that's a better alternative than the path we're on. >> bill: does that include specificity in those areas where the president is going to keep banging him and banging him and banging him, tell me, te